Is There Evidence of God From the Philosophy
of Mathematics??
© Robert J. Spitzer, S.J. Ph.D./Magis
Institute July 2011
The foregoing is only the first step in the
philosophical proof of a Creator of past time. It shows that there is an
analytical contradiction in the concept of “infinite past time” which strongly
implies that this concept cannot exist in reality (and that past time must
therefore be finite). If readers are interested in the full a-priori synthetic
proof for a beginning of past time (which necessitates a Creator of past time
which itself is not in past time) then they may want to consult Chapter Five of
NPEF and units 22 through 26 of PMD (see the Introduction to this book –
Footnote #1).
An Analytical Contradiction in "Infinite
Past Time"
The problematic character of infinite past
time is revealed by a seemingly inescapable analytical contradiction in the
very expression “infinite past time.”
If one splits the expression into its two
component parts: (1) “past time” and (2) “infinite,” and attempts to find a
common conceptual base which can apply to both terms (much like a lowest common
denominator can apply to two different denominators in two fractions), one can
immediately detect contradictory features. One such common conceptual base is
the idea of “occurrence,” another, the idea of “achievement,” and still
another, the idea of “actualizability.” Let us begin with the expression “past
time.”
Past time can only be viewed as having
occurred, or having been achieved, or having been actualized; otherwise, it
would be analytically indistinguishable from present time and future time. In
order to maintain the analytical distinction among these three interrelated
ideas, present time must be viewed as “occurring,” or “being achieved,” or
“being actualized”; and future time must be viewed as “not having occurred,”
“not achieved,” and “not actualized.” The notion of “past” loses its
intelligibility with respect to present and future if its meaning were to
include “occurring,” “being achieved,” or “being actualized” (pertaining to the
present); or “not having occurred,” “not achieved,” or “not actualized”
(pertaining to the future). If past time is to retain its distinct
intelligibility, it can only be viewed as “having occurred,” “achieved,” and
“actualized.”
Now let us turn to the other side of the
expression, namely, “infinite.” Throughout this Unit, I will view “infinity”
within the context of a continuous succession because I will show that real
time in changeable universes must be a “continuous succession of
non-contemporaneous distension.” Now, infinities within a continuous succession
imply “unoccurrable,” “unachievable,” and “unactualizable,” for a continuous
succession occurs one step at a time (that is, one step after another), and can
therefore only be increased a finite amount. No matter how fast and how long
the succession occurs, the “one step at a time” or “one step after another”
character of the succession necessitates that only a finite amount is
occurrable, achievable, or actualizable. Now, if “infinity” is applied to a
continuous succession, and it is to be kept analytically distinct from (indeed,
contrary to) “finitude,” then “infinity” must always be more than can ever
occur, be achieved, or be actualized through a continuous succession (“one step
at a time” succession). Therefore, infinity would have to be unoccurrable,
unachievable, and unactualizable when applied to a continuous succession. Any
other definition would make “infinity” analytically indistinguishable from
“finitude” in its application to a continuous succession. Therefore, in order
to maintain the analytical distinction between “finitude” and “infinity” in a
continuous succession, “infinity” must be considered unoccurrable (as distinct
from finitude which is occurrable), unachievable (as distinct from finitude
which is achievable), and unactualizable (as distinct from finitude which is
actualizable). We are now ready to combine the two parts of our expression
through our three common conceptual bases:
“Infinite..............................Past
Time”
“(The) unoccurable................(has)
occurred.”
“(The) unachievable...............(has been)
achieved.”
“(The) unactualizable.............(has been)
actualized.”
Failures of human imagination may deceive one
into thinking that the above analytical contradictions can be overcome, but
further scrutiny reveals their inescapability. For example, it might be easier
to detect the unachievability of an infinite series when one views an infinite
succession as having a beginning point without an ending point, for if a series
has no end, then, a priori, it can never be achieved. However, when one looks
at the infinite series as having an ending point but no beginning point (as
with infinite past time reaching the present), one is tempted to think that the
presence of the ending point must signify achievement, and, therefore, the
infinite series was achieved. This conjecture does not avoid the contradiction
of “infinite past time” being “an achieved unachievable.” It simply manifests a
failure of our imagination. Since we conjecture that the ending point has been
reached, we think that an infinite number of steps has really been traversed, but
this does not help, because we are still contending that unachievability has
been achieved, and are therefore still asserting an analytical contradiction.
Another failure of our imagination arises out
of thinking about relative progress in an historical succession. Our common
sense might say that infinite past history is impossible because an infinity is
innumerable, immeasurable, and unquantifiable, making the expression “an
infinite number” an oxymoron. But then we get to thinking that infinite history
seems plausible because each step relative to the other steps is quantifiable
in its progression; each step is subject to relative numeration. Therefore, it
seems like history can really achieve an infinite number of steps.
However, as the above analysis reveals, this
cannot be so because an infinity in a continuous succession must be
unachievable or unactualizable as a whole (otherwise, it would be analytically
indistinguishable from “finitude” in a continuous succession). Since, as has
been said, past time must be achieved or actualized (otherwise it would be
analytically indistinguishable from “present” and “future”), “infinite past
time” must be an “achieved unachievable” or an “actualized unactualizable” (an
intrinsic contradiction). Moreover, the expression “an infinite number” is also
an intrinsic contradiction because “number” implies a definite quantity,
whereas “infinity” implies innumerability (more than can ever be numbered).
Therefore, infinite history and its characterization as “a completion of
infinite time,” remains inescapably analytically contradictory.
This intrinsic analytical contradiction
reveals the problematic character of the very idea of “infinite past time.” It
now remains for us to show the inapplicability of this problematic idea to our
universe, and indeed, to any really possible changeable universe. This step
will give ontological (“synthetic”) significance to the analytical
contradiction by showing that the condition of the real world (i.e., our real
universe, or any really possible changeable universe) will contradict (and
therefore resist) the application of this problematic idea to it. The result
will be that no real universe could have had infinite past time.
Before we can proceed to this proof, we must
first give an ontological explanation of real time[1], and then
show that this real time must be intrinsic to any changeable universe, and then
explain Hilbert’s distinction between actual and potential infinities so that
it will be clear that “infinite past time” (as defined) must be an actual
infinity which Hilbert shows to be inapplicable to any reality to which the
axioms of finite mathematics can be applied. The ontological proof against an
infinity of past time will follow from this.
Please note that the a-priori synthetic proof
is based upon the work of the famous mathematician David Hilbert (see “On the
Infinite” in Hilary Putnam, ed Philosophy of Mathematics (Inglewood Cliffs, NJ:
Prentiss Hall, 1977). What follows is a brief summary of Hilbert’s discovery.
For a full explanation see NPEG, Chapter V, and PID Units 22 – 27.
A Brief Explanation of Real Time
It is perhaps best to begin our ontological
analysis of time without making recourse to locomotion (which combines space
and time). This may be done by looking at a non-spatial change such as death. Let
us suppose a cat dies. One of the most apparent ontological truths about this
occurrence is that “the state before” and “the state after” cannot be
coincident. If they were, it would be an obvious contradiction (the cat
simultaneously alive and dead). This, of course, is the problem with all
history. Changed existential states in any specific entity cannot be coincident
without contradiction. Therefore, wherever there is change, indeed, wherever
there is changeability, there must also be some existential non-coincidence
which allows differing states to occur within a single entity (e.g., a cat).
Let us sum up this initial definition of time as “the existential
non-coincidence necessary for the possibility of changed states within a single
entity.” If this existential non-coincidence were not objectively real,
changeable beings and changeable states within the same being would have to be
simultaneous, and therefore intrinsically contradictory, and therefore
impossible. In view of this, time may also be defined as, “that without which
all history is a contradiction.”
At this point, one will want to ask, “What is
‘existential non-coincidence?’” or “How does it manifest itself?” The
temptation here is to spatialize it, by, for example, inserting a spatial continuum
between “the cat alive” and “the cat dead.” Though this may be very satisfying
from the vantage point of human imagination, it leads to a host of problems. To
begin with, our cat both alive and dead is in the same place, and the
separation of its existential states is not describable by an extensive –
spatial – separation. Yet, the cat’s change does require a non-extensive
separation (frequently termed “a distensive separation”). One must be careful
here not to visualize distensive separation as a three-dimensional continuum,
otherwise one will be imposing a quasi-spatial continuum between events.
Henri Bergson wrestled with this problem, and
finally made recourse to a kind of “protomentalist unified separation of
existential states” which he termed “elementary memory.” He supposed that this
elementary memory existed in the universe as a whole, as a kind of very
“elementary cosmic consciousness.” In a famous passage in Duration and
Simultaneity, he noted:
What we wish to establish
is that we cannot speak of a reality which endures without inserting
consciousness into it.[2]
In order to show this, he constructs a
thought experiment in which he assumes the above existential non-coincidence of
incompatible states:
We shall have to consider a
moment in the unfolding of the universe, that is, a snapshot that exists
independently of any consciousness, then we shall try conjointly to summon
another moment brought as close as possible to the first, and thus have a
minimum amount of time enter into the world without allowing the faintest
glimmer of memory to go with it. We shall see that this is impossible. Without
an elementary memory that connects the two moments, there will be only one or
the other, consequently a single instant, no before and after, no succession,
no time.[3]
I do not wish here to either affirm or deny
Bergson’s protomentalist conclusions, but I do want to acknowledge the
ontological conditions of change and time which Bergson recognized in
concluding to them, namely,
1) a real existential non-coincidence between
changed states,
2) a fundamental unity within this separation
which unifies the non-coincidence of earlier and later, and
3) the non-spatial (and hence, for Bergson,
the “elementary memory” or “elementary consciousness”) character of this “unity
of existential non-coincidence.”
These three ontological conditions now give a
further refinement of our ontological explanation of time, namely, “a
non-spatial unity intrinsic to existential non-coincidence necessary for
changeability.” Inasmuch as this unity is divisible into “earlier” and “later”
(as Bergson correctly surmises) it is a non-contemporaneous manifold. This
non-contemporaneous manifold is distinct from a spatial unity which is a
contemporaneous manifold. Since the transition from earlier to later is akin to
a “stretching from within,” I will refer to it as “distension” instead of
“extension” which more properly applies to a contemporaneous (spatial)
manifold. Hence, “real time” may now be defined as a “non-contemporaneous”
distensive manifold intrinsic to changeable realities (or groups of changeable
realities).”
Summary of Hilbert's Prohibition of Actual
Infinities
In order to expedite the explanation of
Hilbert’s prohibition, it will be helpful to draw a distinction between three
kinds of infinity which are genuinely distinct from one another and cannot be
used as analogies for one another. This will show why Hilbert’s prohibition
only applies to C infinities (infinities hypothesized to be within
algorithmically finite structures).
Three Kinds of Infinity
For the sake of convenience, I will term
these three kinds of infinity A, B, and C:
1) “A-infinity.” “Infinite” frequently has
the meaning of “unrestricted,” (e.g., “infinite power” means “unrestricted
power”). It can only be conceived through the “via negativa,” that is, by
disallowing or negating any magnitude, characteristic, quality, way of acting,
or way of being which could be restricted or introduce restriction into an
infinite (unrestricted) power. Therefore, “infinite,” here, is not a
mathematical concept. It is the negation of any restriction (or any condition
which could introduce restriction) into power, act, or being.
2) “B-infinity.” “Infinite” is also used to
signify indefinite progression or indefinite ongoingness. An indefinite
progression is never truly actualized. It is one that can (potentially) progress
ad infinitum. Examples of this might be an interminably ongoing series, or an
ever-expanding Euclidean plane. The series or the plane never reaches infinity;
it simply can (potentially) keep on going ad infinitum. Thus, Hilbert calls
this kind of infinity a “potential infinity.”
3) “C-infinity.” “Infinite” is sometimes used
to signify “infinity actualized within an algorithmically finite structure.”
Mathematicians such as Georg Cantor hypothesized a set with an actual infinite
number of members (a Cantorian set) which would not be a set with an
ever-increasing number of members or an algorithm which could generate a
potential infinity of members. Examples might be an existing infinite number
line, or an existing infinite spatial manifold, or the achievement of an
infinite continuous succession of asymmetrical events (i.e., infinite past
history).
The Hilbertian prohibition applies to the
C-infinity alone, for, as will be seen, it is not concerned with
non-mathematical infinities (i.e., an A-infinity), and it permits indefinitely
ongoing (continually potential) successions through algorithmically finite
structures (i.e., B-infinities). Before showing Hilbert’s and others’
prohibition of C-infinities, the two permissible kinds of infinities will be
discussed.
An A-infinity has long been recognized by the
Scholastic tradition.[4] As noted above, it is not a
mathematical infinity (such as infinite sets, infinite number lines, infinite
successions, etc.) and it is not applied to algorithmically finite structures
(such as spatial magnitudes, temporal magnitudes, fields, forces, etc.). Hence,
it does not postulate an infinite Euclidean plane, infinite past time, an
infinite number line, infinite space, infinite history, infinite thermometers,
infinite density, or an infinite physical force. An A-infinity is simply the
recognition of “non-restrictedness” in power. It is, therefore, a negation of
any predicate which has restriction or could imply restriction in an infinite
power.
As Scholastic philosophers have long
recognized, one can only speak about “infinite power” or “infinite being” by
negating any restriction (or structure giving rise to a restriction such as a
divisible magnitude) to the power itself. Thus, one can say that “infinite
power” is not restricted as to form, way of acting, space-time point, or even
to spatiality itself (which is a divisible magnitude having intrinsically
finite parts).
Such negative statements are not equivalent
to “no knowledge” or unintelligibility; for one does know that infinite power
does not have a restriction. Yet, at the same time, one cannot positively
imagine (through, say, picture-thinking) what such unrestricted power would be.
Every image we have is likely to restrict the entity we are conceiving either
intrinsically or extrinsically.
Our inability to conceive or imagine this
entity does not in any way rule out its possibility, for our inability to
conceive of it does not reveal an intrinsic contradiction or “an extrinsic
contradiction with some existing reality;” it merely admits the limits of our
spatializing, temporalizing, finitizing imagination and conception. Thus, as we
shall see, Hilbert’s prohibition of an “actual infinity” does not extend to an
A-infinity, for an A-infinity is neither a mathematical infinity nor an
application of infinity to an algorithmically finite structure. Interestingly
enough, Hilbert’s prohibition of a C-infinity could actually constitute a proof
for an A-infinity.
A B-infinity is quite distinct from an
A-infinity because it is both a mathematical infinity and an application of
infinity to an algorithmically finite structure. Unlike the prohibited
C-infinity, the B-infinity applies a mathematical infinity to an
algorithmically finite structure in only a potential way. Therefore, the
B-infinity only acknowledges the possibility that an algorithmically finite
structure could continue to progress indefinitely.
Thus, the B-infinity does not imply that a
Cantorian set (with an infinite number of members) actually exists. It implies
that a particular algorithm (sufficient to define the set) can continue to
generate members indefinitely. Furthermore, it does not hold that an infinite number
line actually exists, but rather than one can continue to generate numbers on
the line indefinitely. The existence (completion or achievement) of an infinite
number line is never advocated, but only the potential to continue to generate
numbers according to a particular algorithm indefinitely.
The same holds true for magnitudes such as
space (a contemporaneous magnitude) and time (a non-contemporaneous magnitude).
A potential infinity implies that a spatial magnitude has the potential to
continue expanding indefinitely. Similarly, it holds that a non-contemporaneous
succession of events has the potential to continue indefinitely (into the
future). It does not imply that an infinite spatial magnitude really exists or
that an infinity of continuously successive historical events actually
occurred.
The Hilbertian prohibition does not apply to
a B-infinity because one is not advocating the existence (actuality) of a
mathematical infinity within an algorithmically finite structure. One is only
advocating the potential to increase an algorithmically finite structure
indefinitely according to a particular algorithm. As we shall see momentarily,
infinity applied to the succession of future events will not give rise to a
Hilbertian paradox because future events are only potential. An infinity never
exists. Future time can only be an indefinitely increasing succession of
events; never the existence (actuality) of a mathematical infinity. As will be
seen, such is not the case with past time, which explains why infinite past
time falls under the Hilbertian prohibition.
A C-infinity, like a B-infinity, is both a
mathematical infinity and an application of infinity to an algorithmically
finite structure. The important difference, however, between the B and
C-infinities is that the C-infinity implies the existence (actuality) of a
mathematical infinity within an algorithmically finite structure. As noted
above, examples of a C-infinity would be an actual Cantorian set with an actual
infinite number of members, or an infinite number line with an actual infinite
number of positions, or an actually existing infinite spatial magnitude, or an
actual occurrence of an infinite number of events in the past. Thus, if
C-infinities could really exist, there could be infinite space, infinity
degrees Fahrenheit, infinite mass density, infinite physical force, and
infinite past time. These notions seem irresolvably paradoxical prima facie,
because the mathematical infinity applied to them utterly destroys their
intelligibility as algorithmically finite structures. The proof for this goes
beyond prima facie intuition. It extends to the requirements for mathematical
intelligibility itself. Thus, as Hilbert shows, a mathematical infinity
existing within an algorithmically finite structure undermines the very
possibility of finite mathematics, and therefore the very possibility of
quantifying those algorithmically finite structures. Therefore, a C-infinity
must, in all cases, be illusory.
Now, it was shown above that the succession
of past events is a real, non-contemporaneously distended, interactive,
asymmetrically related, continuously successive whole. As such, it must be an
actual asymmetrical progression. It does not matter that past events no longer
exist, because all past events did exist and affected, and were related to,
present events as they passed out of existence. Thus, they constitute a real
past progression. This is sufficient to qualify “a past succession of events”
for Hilbert’s prohibition, because the application of an infinity to it must be
a C-infinity (not a B-infinity).
If a C-infinity must in all cases be rejected
(because it entails the undermining of finite mathematics and the
quantification of algorithmically finite structures), then an infinite past
succession of events must also be rejected. This will be shown first by
summarizing Hilbert’s (and others’) prohibition of C-infinities and second
through a formal proof which illustrates the contradictory and incoherent
nature of the C-infinity applied to past time.
It is important not only to distinguish among
these three kinds of infinity, but also to avoid analogizing one with the
other. Thus, infinite future time cannot be a proper analogy for infinite past
time. As can be seen, they are quite distinct (a B-infinity versus a
C-infinity, respectively). Furthermore, infinite future time cannot be used as
an analogy for infinite power (a B-infinity versus an A-infinity,
respectively). The rules for each kind of infinity do not apply meaningfully to
the other kinds.
The Mathematical Prohibition of C-Infinities
The above discussion was brought to the
attention of philosophers of mathematics by David Hilbert, who attempted to
clarify the notion of an infinite numeric series which was thought to exist as
a completed totality:
Just as in the limit
processes of the infinitesimal calculus, the infinite in the sense of the
infinitely large and the infinitely small proved to be merely a figure of
speech, so too we must realize that the infinite in the sense of an infinite
totality, where we still find it used in deductive methods, is an illusion.[5]
Hilbert is proposing here that, even though a
B-infinity (one with the potential to continue indefinitely without being
actual) is mathematically admissible, a C-infinity (the existence of a
mathematical infinity within an algorithmically finite structure) is not
mathematically admissible because it presents irresolvable paradoxes and
contradicts the very axioms of finite mathematics. In recounting the history of
the “actual infinite” (Hilbert’s designation of a C-infinity from Georg
Cantor’s actual infinite set of numbers) Hilbert notes that the Russel-Zermelo
paradox presents so many devastating contradictions that it nearly undermined
deductive procedure in mathematics:
These contradictions, the
so-called paradoxes of set theory, though at first scattered, became
progressively more acute and more serious. In particular, a contradiction
discovered by Zermelo and Russell had a downright catastrophic effect when it
became known throughout the world of mathematics. Confronted by these
paradoxes, Dedekind and Frege completely abandoned their point of view [belief
in the coherency of an infinite set as proposed by Cantor] and retreated.[6]
Hilbert then concludes that the technique of
ideal elements (which can imply infinities) cannot be used if they change the
fundamental axioms of finite numbers to which they have been applied. Since
this does not occur with potential infinities (B-infinities), but always occurs
with actual infinities (C-infinities), Hilbert rejects the use of the latter in
any way that could apply to the real world (i.e., real magnitudes, real
counting, real series, etc.):
In summary, let us return
to our main theme and draw some conclusions from all our thinking about the
infinite. Our principal result is that the infinite is nowhere to be found in
reality. It neither exists in nature nor provides a legitimate basis for
rational thought – a remarkable harmony between being and thought. … The role
that remains for the infinite to play is solely that of an idea – if one means
by an idea, in Kant’s terminology, a concept of reason which transcends all
experience and which completes the concrete as a totality [a B-infinity]…. [7]
Conclusions
Hilbert’s analysis shows that the existence
of a mathematical infinity in an algorithmically finite structure results not
only in a contradiction, but also in the undermining of the axioms of finite
numbers which it was intended to complete. If devastating consequences for the
whole of mathematical reasoning are to be avoided, C-infinities must not be
applied to real magnitudes, successions, series, or any algorithmically finite
structure that could be considered real (such as past time).
Hilbert’s prohibition of C-infinities
continues to be widely held by contemporary mathematicians. As William Lane
Craig notes:
According
to Robinson, “Cantor’s infinities are abstract and divorced from the physical world
[Robinson 1969, p. 163].” This judgement is echoed by Fraenkel, who concludes
that among the various branches of mathematics, set theory is “the branch which
least of all is connected with external experience and most genuinely
originates from free intellectual creation [Fraenkel 1973, p. 240].” As a
creation of the human mind, state Rotman and Kneebone…when one selects from an
infinite set an infinite subset, the actual possibility of such an operation is
not implied. “The conception of an infinite sequence of choices (or of any
other acts)…is a mathematical fiction – an idealization of what is imaginable
only in finite cases [Rotman and Kneebone 1966, p. 60].” [8]</blockquote Of course,
infinities can be applied to sets in merely theoretical or abstract ways (e.g.,
Cantorian sets or the Zermelo-Fraenkel universe of sets), but this cannot be
thought to have applicability to the real world:
[T]he
Zermelo-Fraenkel universe of sets exists only in a realm of abstract thought…
[I]he “universe” of sets to which the…theory refers is in no way intended as an
abstract model of an existing Universe, but serves merely as the postulated
universe of discourse for a certain kind of abstract inquiry.[9]
In sum, Hilbert’s, Fraenkel’s, Rotman’s,
Kneebone’s, Zermelo’s, Robinson’s, and many others’ analysis shows that the
existence of a mathematical infinity in an algorithmically finite structure
results not only in a contradiction, but also in the undermining of the axioms
of finite numbers which it was intended to complete. If devastating
consequences for the whole of mathematical reasoning (and also the
applicability of mathematics to the finite universe) are to be avoided,
C-infinities must not be applied to real magnitudes, successions, series, or
any algorithmically finite structure that could be considered real (such as
past time). At this juncture, the reader will probably notice the invalidity of
the hypothesis “infinite past history” or “infinite past time.” The ontological
explanation of time, which shows that history must be a continuous succession of
events (each of which has real distensive separation and real power to
aggregate the whole of the continuous succession) reveals that when infinity is
applied to it, it must imply “infinity within an actual algorithmically finite
structure,” which implies an actual infinity (a C-infinity). As noted above,
this C-infinity must be considered illusory (nonexistent within a standard
universe) because it undermines the axioms of finite mathematics which ground
the quantifiable intelligibility of the realities in that universe (and also
the applicability of mathematics to the finite universe). This deduction alone
is sufficient to show that infinite history (implying infinite past time)
cannot exist through any possible reality (or contemporaneously unified group
of realities) in any possible universe. There will have to be a beginning (and
a creator) of past time wherever past time exists. C-infinities not only
undermine the axioms of finite mathematics, but also the intelligibility of the
finite realities to which they have been applied. For example, the existence of
an infinity in the whole of past history would undermine the distensive
separation of every part of that past history (reducing its aggregative effect
within the whole to nothing – a dimensionless point), because an infinite
distension minus any finite part, or any infinite part which is a subset of the
whole, is still infinity. But this cannot be the case in real history, because
every part of past time must maintain its distensive separation and its power
to aggregate the whole. If it did not, then history would be fraught with
irresolvable contradictions (e.g., the cat alive and dead simultaneously).
Therefore if every part of real history (and
real time) are to maintain their real distensive separation then every part of
real history and time must contribute or constitute (build up) the whole of
real history or time, because every part separates everything that came before
it from everything coming after it. But as we saw, no part can really contribute
or constitute (build up) an infinite continuum – its addition or removal has no
effect – it does not change the whole at all. Inasmuch as parts in an infinite
whole cannot build up the whole, they cannot cause real distensive separation
of everything that came before from everything coming after in that whole and
so parts of an infinite whole cannot be parts of real history or real time. If
they were, history would be fraught with contradictions. This leads to the
conclusion that history and time must be finite, and if finite, must have a
beginning. As we saw in Unit D, a beginning of time implies a Creator. This
Creator would have to be timeless.
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